And presented them with the information, he essentially tossed it to the side and said, So what?, No consequences. Your browser does not support JavaScript. So, while I have strong feelings about this, as you can imagine being a lawyer, but at all points, legal advice has to be subservient to Scripture. There were some areas or some some critical times when things could have gone differently, but the elders caved in essence to Bill Hybels. Youre absolutely right. I appreciate your feedback. I was a member of WCCC for many years. At least, thats how I saw it. I will let you know as soon as I figure it all out. Just go to BuyACar123.com. WebPete Briscoe answers that question by pointing us to Paul as the perfect example of one who speaks with tender boldness. If you go back through Willow Creeks archives, you can see all the, you know, the authors of books who came in and were platformed at Willow Creek. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? I think that they were scared of what Ill call the Christian Industrial Complex that had risen up around Bill, the economic consequences of speaking out on a topic of high consequence. The radio program began to attract listeners and supporters, enabling the ministry to expand its broadcasting to a growing number of stations throughout the United States and abroad. Im Julie Roys. I just want to say this was not someone who acted on any behavior at our church, but had someone who was in the process of grooming someone else. I think thats dangerous. But this certainly raises red flags. A man who "dedicated his life to sharing Gods Word with the world" has died at the age of 91. Im so grateful now for that heritage. Why did so many look the other way for so long? Theres a lot of church boards that operate that way. Yeah, were all saints who sometimes sin. Jill JULIE ROYS 23:38, What I meant by that comment is that unanimity didnt create any problems for the board and senior pastor because everyone agreed with James MacDonald. And if you dont have a character to lead, no manual is going to help you. As a lawyer whos represented some of Bill Hybels victims Mitch Little has seen a side of Willow Creek that few others have. Its one of the beauties and the deformities of social media is social media is agile. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. Scott Dyer was the worship pastor at Bent Tree Bible fellowship. I think they can do it effectively. I cant do this authentically anymore. And as hard as the last year and a half has been, I applaud him for that. Heres to better days and better church health. Its about serving God. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. Like so many of you, I love Pete. Briscoe What eventually broke the culture of secrecy and protection? Welcome to the Roys report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. And not elevated above it. Thats a bad default state. Why didnt others support them? Well, and I hope there are Christian leaders listening to this who take note because is the time of just being silent and thinking that because youre silent, nothing will come back on you, thats past. Why did so many look the other way for so long? Im against too many lawyers, and I think Im in a position to critique this. And if you are not willing to as an organism, or as an organization say, We messed up. James MacDonald was friends with Ed Stetzer. They had so many churches, thousands of churches coming on board and being a part of those. He has been married to Jill for more than 59 years and has three children and 13 grandchildren. You know, I think, Julie, the other thing that was really whacked out about Willows elder board, and I didnt find this out until very late in the representation was they operated by design out of unanimity. Its a calling of God. That is not a matter of policy. I would love to see Chicago experience revival. Is that right? Im so glad that theyre godly men like you serving. Many more than even Vonda Dyer knew. The cover up of his behavior manifested at the elder board level. You know, Hybels daughter had her own book on Oprahs book club. Im good friends with Vonda Dyer, who worked at Willow and was one of the women who bravely came forward with her story about her interactions with Bill Hybels. Like if you go back and you actually read his books line-on-line, there are some things in there in those books where you go, For a pastor, that should be unacceptable. But he was attenuating his church culture and culture at large to him in his behavior. The news of Petes resignation landed heavy on my heart. The news of Petes resignation landed heavy on my heart. Petes leadership at Bent Tree casts a long shadow with a legacy that will endure. But its an analog. And you have to, there must be assiduous accountability going on in the life of someone who has the big radio show has the big platform, his platform at conferences and large organizations, because the temptations are greater. About Stuart and Jill Briscoe We were talking a little bit about the elder board. At the urging of a friend working in the radio industry, the Briscoes followed God's leading and used the tape sales proceeds to purchase local radio time, which launched Telling the Truth's radio outreach. Likewise. So I was really struggling with my faith. These are people that may be in the cubicle next to you at work, who have an acuity for blending in to normal life. It is also the church in which Pete Briscoe, my former wonderful pastor, grew up in. The Elder Board has accepted Petes decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. Right. I was blown away. WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. It manifested even at the IT level at the church. But this is the beauty of I think whats arisen is an independent media. They were almost sacred and benevolent and unable to do wrong. At the end of the day the aftermath of destruction is felt on so many levels by so many people and we all react differently in our humanness. And so I do think its a healthy thing when youre afraid of doing wrong, because it will be brought up and you will be held accountable. This was an excellent interview and elders need to read this interview. I attended Willow for seven years. Thank God I have Jesus. But when we look at it from some practical ways that God used people to undo this, explain what you see as being the key forces. I dont know the answer but rampant clergy abuse just took my discontentment to a whole new level. Well, since you brought it up, youre gonna youre gonna have to address the Vanilla Bean. I am thrilled to be here. Boy, and if more churches did that, how much pain and heartache among the sheep would have been spared? Its my understanding that was a watershed moment. That is a very fair question. It involves a level of compartmentalization that is truly stunning. And sadly, I think they have still. Friends are important! Subscribe Sign up for my daily email devotionals and to stay in touch! I hope someday I can overcome this cynicism because I need Church as it should be. Yeah, my understanding of that of the history has come from interviewing witnesses, talking to people who have served in those roles and hearing their stories at Willow. And its like, now someone inside the tribe has said, Something is wrong here and it must be dealt with. And it took someone of Scot McKnights gravitas to be able to shift the discussion at Willow. Frankly I find church to be excruciatingly lonely. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth 's media outreach. A man who "dedicated his life to sharing Gods Word with the world" has died at the age of 91. It is simply to feed ourselves. Vonda was at one time the director of Willow Creeks vocal ministry, and she was one of the first women to come forward and speak publicly about Bill Hybels alleged sexual misconduct. They didnt have the ability to respond to new issues as they arose. Pete Briscoe @petebriscoe 12 Dec 2021. Vanilla orchids are actually pollinated by hand in most places. To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." To view their entire showroom online. It is a collection of people that we are to care for. I dont know. He is with us today to talk about growing communication skills to improve preaching as well as how we can find deeper fulfillment in our work and lives. Whats our theology? WebPete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrys teaching team from 2003 to 2021. You know, when you have somebody like Bryan Loritts, who when hes talking about why when he was at a former church, he didnt disclose to the church that they had a sexual predator among them for six months. And so I hope your listeners understand what I mean, when I say this, thats how good God is that he can use people who are even morally bankrupt, to bring people to himself. And the thing that is astonishing to me, you used the issue of emotional vulnerability is that, you know, a lot of times our strengths are our weaknesses. And you made the statement that if you have the character to lead, you dont need a manual. To me, Bill did not come across as a predator, flirty or suggestive with women. I havent seen a lot of true owning, true repenting, true confessing. Hes also the chairman of the elder board at a multisite megachurch in Dallas, Texas. Think about the people whove done it historically, you know, the Chuck Swindolls that I mean, we can we can run off a list of names, we can also run off a list of failures. And he committed sex acts with her. It is what manifests. These little bitty people, from Willows perspective, who helped win the PR back, its a miracle. I learned that from Bill. Theyre not holding anybody accountable then. How do spot a safe pastorand can. So Mitch has a very unique perspective. So its more than flirty words or suggestions. And to do that, we must avoid falling into the trap of our Christian beliefs being pitted against culture in the public sphere of debate. I dont think that theres anything at a mega church that innoculates it from being good. Like so many of you, I love Pete. Oh Well, and I appreciate your service to the church. Volunteers monitored the process in real time, turning over cassettes at the appropriate time to record on the second side. When you say the IT department, its my understanding you came into some information about emails getting destroyed. And today Im excited to be speaking with Mitch Little. Theyre not holding anybody accountable then. We bought the routine and its shocking. WebPete Briscoe answers that question by pointing us to Paul as the perfect example of one who speaks with tender boldness. But I guess this is the question so many are asking is, Can anybody be in those kind of jobs with the kind of responsibility that is put on one human, one person to lead thousands of people? And so many looking to him for vision for leadership for everything. Guest Bios Show Transcript Spiritual abuse has become an increasingly hot topic, as more and more stories of bully pastors and hyper-controlling, Guest Bios Show Transcript After years spent in an abusive church, how do you heal? Theres another circumstance that I became aware of where The board had a 360 Review done on Hybels and his leadership and some problems they were experiencing with his management style from, you know, bullying, abusive style. And which really makes me sad because theyve had a change in leadership. Today were talking with Pete Briscoe, who served as the senior pastor for nearly three decades at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, Texas, and now consults with and coaches pastors. Thats a bad default state. Think about the psychology of someone who could be doing what was alleged by Pat Baranowski to have been done to her. Hes a complex character. Julie, you may want to review this pointwasnt a problem? Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. This is simply a place where I share the message of Gods unadulterated grace through my preaching sermons and bible teaching. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. And youre in the process right now of looking for a senior pastor. Fortunately, we have not had so much as one complaint about any one of our pastors or staff members. Theres, theres an advocacy piece to lawyering that needs to be there a little bit, but it doesnt need to be pervasive. My personal belief, not speaking on behalf of anyone else, my personal belief is that that structure is designed to fail, because elders cant elder in that structure. You can read about them at their website Teaching the Truth. WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. Its something like Child Protection Policies. Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. "For many of you, he was preacher, pastor, mentor or friend. May you and your family be richly bleSSed!!! And that needs to be an elder in the church really any size, you need to say, Look, I see what youre doing this is wrong. And when the person makes excuses or says, You know, this is a misunderstanding, I didnt mean to, you know, message that kid inappropriately online, or I didnt mean to Invite them to go do something by ourselves out of, you know, trying to do something bad. Who hasnt given a friend a friendly kiss once in awhile? The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. I think it took courage and boldness on his part to be able to do that. And my understanding was the elder board set some boundaries for Clinton to be able to come and speak. But you have seen the the worst of it. Id like to share a few things as we navigate this loss together. 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